Yes it is in a sense. You aren’t allowed to sleep in your car in pretty much every state that I’ve been to so far. What I used to do is leave my car in a 24 hour place and go camping somewhere for the night. Make sure there are no cameras or the cops might go to your car anyways. I was in a Wal-Mart parking lot in Colorado (I think it was Boulder but not sure anymore) and I was actually intending to shop there. I wanted to make my call to the post office because I had recently left my uncle’s house and he deceived me out of close to $600 while I lived with him, probably more. I was in a tight spot so I didn’t have too many options and he knew that I had a small inheritance from my mother but not as much as everyone thinks. Anyways, I believe I was going to file charges on him because when I went to go pick up my mail a week earlier his wife said I didn’t get any mail there and that I need to leave (I know I got mail there and I will never know what it was). Anyways I called the post office, talked to someone and immediately got put on hold for the next 15–20 minutes. About 3 minutes before someone picked up I fell asleep and during this time I guess a cop was banging on my window. He threatened to write me citations, take me to jail etc. In the end he told me to move along, so basically I didn’t get to shop there and I got harassed for falling asleep for less than 3 minutes. By the way I was in the passenger seat this entire time, but the keys were in the ignition so I don’t know what could have been done had they not been there.
You will need to sleep somewhere each day, and having a plan for where you will park is helpful. It is very stressful to be driving around trying to find a place to sleep while you are tired. Boondockers are often able to park for days or weeks at a time, but urban stealth campers often need to park in a new place each night. Planning ahead ahead as much as possible makes it much less stressful when it is time to move camp.
I just let them do the talking and answer their questions. I usually am very ready to tell them what I am doing there, but I keep the subject away from myself as much as possible. For example, if I am parked somewhere and a Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) approaches (why don’t you just say cop?) I will say I am parked there to let the cats out for a while, or to feed the cats, or because my cat did not return. And then I might say, “then I am going to the Wal Mart store” or whatever is nearby that I do business with. “Then I am going to the library.” “then I am going to MacDonald’s to use the internet.” I think that they would really NOT like to hear, “I am just resting here, just relaxing in this nice quiet secluded place, just eating and studying; I am just sitting here.” But I really take my time when I am parked somewhere; even though it is for my cats, it is also for myself.

There are very few people who are able to live without money, and the percentage of car dwellers who have a sizable savings account is also limited. Most people who live out of a car will depend on having some type of income each month. Some of these car dwellers may receive social security, disability, or a pension. The rest probably need to work in order to earn money. Freelancers and those who are self-employed with businesses that can be operated from anywhere are able to boondock so long as they have access to needed services (electricity, Internet, etc.).
Don't buy credit life or credit disability insurance through your car dealer when purchasing a new car. Some dealers do a hard sell on these coverages, but they are highly overpriced, and if they're folded into your car loan, you not only end up paying 100% to 500% more than you should for the coverage, you also pay interest on it. Stick to regular life and disability insurance through your employer or an individual policy. Potential Money Savings: $300-500.
If you drive an older car, consider dropping collision and comprehensive coverage (don't drop liability coverage). Collision coverage is required if you have a car loan, but for older cars that you own free and clear, weigh the car's book value (what the insurance company would pay you if the car was totaled) against your collision premiums. If your car is over five years old or is worth less than $1000, keeping collision and comprehensive coverage may not be worth what you're paying in insurance premiums. Potential Money Savings: $100-300/yr.
Our suggestion? Get a cargo rack. These are great to get a fair bit of your gear out of the car and onto the roof. Most, if not all, boast a secure lock so theft isn’t an issue, and all that newfound free space will not only prevent you from looking like a destitute hoarder but will open up the cabin for your sleeping arrangements. A win, win if you ask us. It’s always been the risk-takers, go-getters, and – for lack of a better word – weirdos who change the world and live lives worth living. Also, something as simple as a couple storage bins could go a long way as well to keep things organized and tidy when traveling/living out of your car. Again, if you have the time and money, a custom build-out is always the way to go, and there are plenty of aftermarket workshops that can do this for you based on any sort of van-life inspiration you may have come across.

Kudos to you! Honestly I would like to see more people living in their cars striving to be debt free than people living in their mansions with loads of debt under their name. You’re not hurting anybody with living in your car… I would have done the same thing had I been in your situation… being debt free is a beautiful thing… having savings/money to fall back on is even better :)
Imaging, such as the use of ultrasound or a computed tomography scan, is the generally preferred way of diagnosis as it is more accurate and is sensitive to bleeding, however; due to logistics this is not always possible.[4] For a person who is hemodynamically unstable a focused assessment with sonography for trauma (FAST) scan may take place which is used to find free floating fluid in the right upper quadrant and left lower quadrant of the abdomen. The FAST scan however may not indicated in those who are obese and those with subcutaneous emphysema.[5] Its speed and sensitivity to injuries resulting in 400mL of free-floating fluid make it a valuable tool in the evaluation of unstable persons. Computed tomography is another diagnostic study which can be performed, but typically is only used in those who are hemodynamically stable.[5] A physical examination may be used but is typically inaccurate in blunt trauma, unlike in penetrating trauma where the trajectory the projectile took can be followed digitally.[6] A diagnostic peritoneal lavage (DPL) may also be utilized but has limited application as it is hard to determine the origin of the bleeding.[7] A diagnostic peritoneal lavage is generally discouraged when FAST is available as it is invasive and non-specific.[5]
I lost my job out in Denver about 4 months back then I spent the rest of my saving on a move to Idaho for another job. Which I was laid off from after 6 weeks so after two months without work I’m pretty much broke. I just sold/pawned/gave away most of my possessions and in 2 weeks I’ll be moving into my ’95 Subaru wagon and driving to Portland to look for work I’ve got heard that the shelters there offer free 24 hr showers and a place to send/receive mail. I’ll admit to being a little anxious about this decision because if my car gets impounded for vagrancy I’m on the street but I’m also somewhat excited as I’ll be living on my own terms with more flexibility than I’ve every really had. I don’t think I have a romanticized view on doing this I’m sure some days I’ll get damn sick of my car but think it’ll force me to be more active than I’ve been in the past. Anyway this is a great thread I’m glad to have found it lots of great pointers and I look forward (sort of) to joining my fellow vehicle dwellers in PDX
If you do find yourself suddenly living in your car, it is not the end of the world. Living in a car is a heck of a lot better than living on the streets. Your car provides you with security, transport, warmth, electricity and more. You can store your belongings in your car. You can sleep in your car. Your car protects you from weather to a degree. People have lived and even thrived when living in cars. This page is a basic tutorial on living in a car. Also see the VanDwellers FAQ
You can use stick-on Velcro to secure a dark cloth to each window. Most tape doesn’t work well on the fabrics they put inside of vehicles, so try it first before you store it in the car. Some vans have curtain rods installed on the windows, and you can certainly install your own on the side and back windows. AnnaOutdoors says she ended up screwing in picture frame hooks to hang curtains on. Or, you can buy car shades.
Anyway, that’s my two cents. My difficulty right now is figuring out how to not spend so much of what I’m earning on food right now. With living in your car, you don’t have any cooking stove or refrigerator, so you end up eating out which is very expensive. There are some food kitchens that are free at dinner, but there’s driving and at $3.89 a gallon, is it worth it to drive 15-20 miles to get a free meal, when you only get 16 mpg because you have an old crappy minivan. Any ideas on somewhat healthy, yet non perishable, yet portable food that doesn’t need cooking would be greatly appreciated.
This may be the most challenging element of car living: how do we keep clean and answer nature’s call? Where do we access toilets, running water, and showering facilities? Some long-term car-livers choose to maintain a gym membership for the daily showering benefits — this is a pricey if luxurious solution. If you go that route, try to choose one that includes towel service: drying wet towels in the car can create moisture and mildew problems.

I follow the forum over at MMM. There’s a guy doing the same thing there in the “Journals” section. He’s in his fifties, living in a Volt and digging out of debt. To access the journals, you will have to create a log-in because that section is privacy protected. His name is dagiffy1. Create an account, then search for his name in the members section. I think you’ll find it encouraging.

Due to my ignorance for research of the places I’d be traveling to, I had no idea that Big Sur is a rugged stretch of California’s central coast between Carmel and San Simeon. So I explored a resort that sat at the southernly beginning of Big Sur thinking that Big Sur was one place, not an entire stretch of scenic views. Next time, maybe I’ll bring a car camping list of destinations so that this type of mistake can be avoided.
When I was getting back on my feet after another back injury and had a little $10 an hour job in 2005, my living arrangements were sold. I couldn;t find an apartment that would take pets in the range I could afford. I have a fifteen year old mini poodle. For five months I would rotate sleeping in my car and checking in to a Motel 6 about four nights per week. Since my car was known to the personnel at the Motel 6, I just parked in adjacent spaces on car nights and nobody said boo about it, even the cops who patrolled the lot nightly.

Great thread! I’ve had lots of experience living out of my car. I say living out of because I didn’t always sleep in it. If the weather is good then I find a safe spot (I’ve had good luck so far) and then sleep next to the car. Sleeping in a car really sucks but recently I got a pickup truck with a shell. I built a small wooden platform that I can store gear underneath and sleep on top with plenty of room. It’s really cool in a geeky way. I’m also a big time backpacker so I have pretty good gear like a warm bag and a small stove. I’ll take sleeping outside any night but I like having a ‘backup’ plan in case the *hit hits the fan.


This is fkn kool folks. Well, after getting kicked out by the angry live in girlfriend..yeah i slept in a car freezin cold..for like 16 days yup just to keep my sanity..I was able to keep my job by this..it pays good but dang it seems that cost of living is higher..the trunk is not a good place to sleep..had too bad neighboorhood one night….Definitely it helps by saving money…alot.but use it to progress unless u want to chill in a car for longer time…o yeah shower and yup keep a caterer handy…..ja ja…better yet JYm…well…good hearing ur stories…keep on van camping folks…lessons learned is wisdom earned..peace
Keep your car clean but not like new, that makes it to inviting to rob, try to keep everything in your trunk and covered on seats. Always have enough gas but never totally filled (in less taking a long drive), as people may want so0me or your car. Travel as light as possible, also sometimes you can wash clothes in a gym, be a good liar if caught and friendly, many students are helpful.

when you get into solar power set-up, I used a shumacker 200/400 watt power pack with a 2.5watt solar panel, it was rather solid, in that alone just make sure what ever you are charging is turned off while charging, as for the solar panel, smallest you need would be 8-10 watts, last but not least look into whats called a smart charger, the company I went with is ctek. little more cost but you can charge main battery as well the external battery the same time.


Keep eating healthy. The McDonald's Dollar Menu is great, but you can't eat burgers forever. There are several other options. The homeless shelter (O.P.C.C) on Olympic serves meals regularly. Another option is to just buy a loaf of bread and a can of beans from Ralph's on Broadway and Lincoln. Packages of uncooked hot dogs will provide a lot of food. Make sure you are eating both carbs and protein, and take vitamins if you can.

I’ll tear through the “hows” and “whats” really fast to get the interesting stuff. Car: 2002 Honda Civic EX Coupe. Shower: YMCA (I got a discounted rate for having low income; I think it was $16/month). The YMCA is great because it has soap/shampoo/conditioner/towel there. I would usually go for a run before I showered, too. Work: Hacker Dojo. Eat: nonperishable stuff. Sleep: “slim twin” air mattress meant for sleeping on cots, blown up halfway, feet in the trunk, head by passenger seat. Find an empty church parking lot for privacy. I didn’t tint my windows, which probably would have made sense, but I just didn’t care.
About security, I once received an email several times which advises to keep your key fob on your nightstand so that you can press the panic button in case of burglary. I’m under the impression that this isn’t exactly standard equipment on a van but, even aftermarket, especially with remote starting capability seems like an even better idea than using it from your bed in a prison cell …. I mean house! /humor
Recently, researchers have been devoting themselves in the field of exploring the “perfect antigen,” and they really made some progression. Transferrin receptor (TfR/CD71) as a selective target for malignancy therapy has attracted spotlight due to its abnormal expression in malignant tissues compared with normal ones. Ye et al. constructed human chimeric antibody against TfR termed as D2C and confirmed that D2C has the characteristics of tumor-specific affinity to human liver cancer SMMC-7721 in vitro and in vivo. This evidence suggests that TfR may likely to be served as a TAA for certain liver cancer cells.22
Some business that has a very large parking lot that is partly out of the way or partly hidden from most public view, traffic or other houses – if that business is a church, they might be willing to let you park there. Get something written so you can show it to the police, or ask the business to let the police know in advance so that the police will not bother you if some passerby or neighbor calls about you. Unmowed fields are very good indications of a place you can park near. No one will will care if all you are doing is parking there. And the cats or dogs will really enjoy it.
If you can afford it, stay one night in a cheap hotel to give yourself a shower and the opportunity to wash/rinse your clothes in the sink/shower. The #1 thing I tell my friends to use – especially those who travel on missionary trips abroad – is baby wipes. Get the generic ones with shea butter or aloe. (Walgreen’s or CVS has them cheap.) I have used these head to toe when I could not take a shower. Plus, I’ve used them on my face for years…and people compliment me on how beautiful my skin is. (I just turned 50!)
Ultimately, if it hadn’t been for my transformation into a human banana, who knows how long it would have taken me for me to be brought to a hospital! The yellow tinge (jaundice) began in my eyes, and was first thought to be due to my recent switch to contact lenses. This was followed by comments from teachers and friends who noticed my “off” colour. One day while driving together, my mother noticed the corners of my eyes appearing yellowish. She made an appointment right away and my family doctor sent us for blood work immediately, believing that I might have contracted a type of hepatitis from some food or drink.

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you misread this online or they printed it in error. This has happened to me. If you could keep warm with 6 watts, you could cook food in 12 watts — what do you need four 1000 CCA batteries for? that set up you described is a good set up, a LOT of electrcity, becuase you will need it. Even smaller slow cookers are 70-100 watts but they take hours to cook.


It’s not illegal statewide and many people do live out of their RVs. However, it is illegal to park your car for extended periods of time in many places. For example, you are not allowed to park an RV on a public street overnight within San Diego city limits, unless you are a city resident and you get a permit for each night (precisely to keep transients out.) Many cities also have local regulations prohibiting sleeping in the car on public land. But some, e.g., Los Angeles, don’t, regulations normally don’t apply to private land (e.g. Walmart parking lots), and I don’t think there’s anything to stop you from sleeping outside city limits.

There are also several options for food storage and personal kitchen conversions if you have the vehicle (and the coin) to get them custom fitted and installed. If not, we suggest keeping a rugged cooler stocked with your perishable items, dry storage for non-perishables and keeping an eye out for the next campsite where you can set up camp, get a warm fire going, and cook yourself a hot meal under the stars. It’s why you decided upon this lifestyle in the first place right?
After college I lived in my van for a year — partly due to finances but mostly to step back and get some perspective. Roamed the country. One of the best things I ever did. It’s just as easy to break into an apartment or house as it is a car, so the ‘safety’ issue is something of a red herring. Bravo for questioning the ‘received wisdom of society’ that you have to live a certain way (and spend a certain minimum amount). Our options are largely bounded by our imaginations.
U can get away with it to some exstent but u really need to find more than one place like loves to park because ur gonna attract attention to yourself if u stay in the same place so find other spots ur comphy with an move around from place to place every 2-3 days,,walmarts are good,,travelers are always staying there while passing thru so u can use that as an excuse unless u have been camped out for days when u get asked,,,ive done it,,,the main thing is b polite if ur approched by secutity guard,,most of them dont care but is thier job so leave an give it afew dats before u come back an most wont mind!,,good luck an god bless!
More stress: Especially at the beginning when you’re getting into things, you’ll hear people coming home late at night or waking up in the morning and think, “What if they see me? What if they notice me? What will they do?” (Spoiler alert: 99 percent of them won’t see you, and the 1 percent that do will think to themselves, “that’s odd” and not do anything about it.)
I live in my car i have a toyota paseo and frankly im loving it had only planned to do so for a few months and now its almost a year i pass out on the drivers seat take martial art and work full time of course using my brothers gym to 24hour fitness sure its doable with a little help. Defenetly mad maxing my car now because of it lol though my racer mentality keeps me to pack light have one luggage in the trunk but those really large flat ones that fold like a briefcase never been asked by police if i was living in car. As for what is vital is iphone and cigarette lighter to power small electronics but frankly i pack light keep busy and lounge at cemetary or friends house from time to time as time goes on one learns the tricks of the trade only have 2 locations i know i wont get rolled up on. My work and a small residential parking lot next to offices by friends hous. i feel like the road warrior……
I’ll be embarking on this journey in 2 months when my lease is up. Within 12 months I’ll pay off my jeep, my Harley and tax debts. I’ll also have about 30k cash which will allow me to build my dream home- a tiny house! I have a great job and I can’t wait to start this adventure. I already feel such freedom- and my family is 100% supportive. Btw- I’m a 50 year old woman!

Third, we’ve found that some of us simply want to disappear into a more off-the-grid aesthetic. This lifestyle, naturally, requires significant survival skills and prepping in order to live a life of success deep in the backcountry or drifting across our nation’s highways and byways. To give it all up and drift, grift, and barter is much easier said than done. Though with the right attitude and know-how can be a rewarding experience in and of itself.


I wonder if anyone might be able to give me some ideas and tips about living out of my car. My future husband and I are forced to live in our vehicle because to be honest…money has run out, we were evicted from our home, forced into a motel with our cats, and have paid every dime we have to this room that has come up to over 3000 dollars in fees…We are now facing giving up our pets, he still works daily but I can’t work as I have some pretty serious back problems… I don’t know what we’re going to do. The car we will have to live out of is actually a nice car…but not nice for living in, its a 2012 challenger, a luxury we were once able to afford, now it’s our only home. Or it will be this saturday… I don’t know where to park, our insurance is up and we can’t get new insurance until we have money to pay for it.. and we won’t have the money to pay for it for two weeks. But if we’re to live out of our car I hear that is something we HAVE to have. Now I don’t know what we will do, is there no way to avoid getting noticed by police until we are able to afford insurance again and get our car covered? Is there a safe place we can park unnoticed? Our windows aren’t even remotely tinted, and there’s just…no hiding in this car… If anyone has any ideas for us, anything we can do, please let us know. I know some of you don’t consider living in your car being homeless, but in our case, that’s what we consider it.. Two people in a rather small car for an extended period of time isn’t my idea of a home… and frankly, I don’t know what’s going to happen to us, I’m terrified. We live just outside denver, and need to stay in the denver metro area because we need to stay close to his work.
This sounds entirely redundant. The whole point of having money is to spend it on something that increases your quality of living. Why live in a completely shitty living condition just to stockpile cash in a bank acount that you'll never spend on something that actually improves your standard of living, such as a nice apartment or more expansive wardrobe?
I forgot to mention that we put a very lightweight tarp over the PVC pipe. It looked a little like Chitty Chitty Bank Bang but lots of people came over to talk with us about our rig. I have often wondered whether or not anyone else tried this since 2003 when we took this trip We also took 5 two or 3 week trips to the East Coast and Canada. When we passed through Canadian customs, the fellow asked my husband if he planned to do some plumbing on our visit. He answered no but said we used it as part of our camping shelter.
I lived in a compact car and used a trunk cargo net stretched across the top of the backseat (hooked into the headrests) with a blanket over the top. I had a gym membership and funny enough was in the shape of my life because hey I'm at the gym at 4 am I may as well work out before I shower. Trunk was filled with clothing and shoes. I had a job for part of the time at restaurants with family meal which meant I could eat when I got on shift for free and only really had to worry about breakfast most of the time. Others have said about getting a cooler and such but I didn't have any sort of room for that and $5 a day for a diner breakfast was fine for me (usually). I parked in rotating decent/nice residential areas, tried to find dark streets. Often I would see a full street of vans with blocked windows in posh neighborhoods I knew would not put up with "those people" being around during the day. So that's a good sign that the homeless there are vandwellers/chill and not the hardcore type. Parking late and leaving early (the sun will wake you) means most never knew we were there. Where I live (Los Angeles) there is a ton of homeless people so I avoided the "recommended" areas like Walmart as that put me at more of a disadvantage as a woman to be around others that may or may not be chill. I had a switchblade to sleep with and if someone harassed me (looking at you Venice homeless population) I just parked somewhere else. No use to get attacked to prove a point. One thing I wish I would have done is to make sure my vehicle registration, insurance, driver's license, etc. was all up to date, since I did not know when I would next have an address. You can't get a P.O. box without a physical address. I didn't have the correct license and ended up with a warrant at one point because I couldn't get a new license until I had a place to live :(

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FOR YOU TO KEEP 6 WATTS CONTINUALLY DRAINING YOUR BATTERY, IT WOULD RUN IT DRY IN A DAY. that is like leaving the glove compartment open all night so the little light stays on and the battery is dead in the evening. MANY devices are like this, being digitalized today. They are continually on, using a little bit of power, like six watts, like the diodes on surge protectors. It is always on, so that when you turn it on, it is ready to go. DVD players are like this. You laptop power cord transformer box is like that. so it is necessary to remove the laptop cord when not needing to charge the laptop battery.


This is the city’s second attempt to control car- and RV-dwellers. The previous attempt was shot down in a federal appeals court in 2014. The issue with that ordinance was that it was “broad enough to cover any driver in Los Angeles who eats food or transports personal belongings in his or her vehicle. Yet it appears to be applied only to the homeless," as one judge wrote in his opinion.
In summary, our results document the beneficial impact of specific CAR activation in T2D and fatty liver disease, and identify mechanisms that can account for such effects. PB is not used for treating T2D patients because of its undesirable side effects, such as promoting hepatocyte proliferation and increasing drug-to-drug interaction. As with other nuclear receptors, however, it may be possible to limit or even eliminate these problems using selective CAR modulators that retain beneficial effects on glucose and lipid metabolism, but not undesirable effects on drug metabolism and proliferation.

To initially investigate how CAR influences glucose metabolism, we monitored glucose levels in ob/ob and ob/ob, CAR−/− mice in response to an acute 1-week TC treatment. Serum glucose levels were significantly decreased in TC-treated ob/ob, but not ob/ob, CAR−/− mice (Fig. 1A). In i.p. glucose tolerance tests (GTT), TC-treated ob/ob mice displayed significantly improved glucose tolerance compared with control treated ob/ob mice, as shown by reduced blood glucose levels at each time point, and this effect was also completely absent in the double mutant ob/ob CAR−/− mice (Fig. 1B). The decreased serum glucose levels were associated with appropriately decreased serum insulin levels, indicating that CAR activation alleviates hyperinsulinemia in the ob/ob mice and improves glucose tolerance (Fig. 1C).

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